NASA probes hit moon twice; few pictures yet

NASA probes hit moon twice; few pictures yet

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WASHINGTON—Take that, moon!

NASA smacked two spacecraft into the lunar south pole Friday morning in a search for hidden ice. Instruments confirm that a large empty rocket hull barreled into the moon at 7:31 a.m., followed four minutes later by a probe with cameras taking pictures of the first crash.

But initial photos show that the moon didn’t give the reaction to the double jabs that NASA expected.

And the public definitely didn’t get the live explosive views they may have anticipated from the mission called LCROSS, short for Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite.

Screens got fuzz and no immediate pictures of the crash or the six-mile plume of lunar dust that the mission was supposed to kick up for scientists to study. The public, which followed the crashes on the Internet and at observatories, seemed puzzled.

NASA officials touted loads of data from the probe and telescopes around the world and in orbit. But the crash photos and videos they offered at a morning news conference were few and showed little more than a fuzzy white flash.

Still, NASA scientists were happy.

“This is so cool,“ said Jennifer Heldmann, coordinator for NASA’s observation campaign. “We’re thrilled.“

The first photos and videos that NASA got didn’t show any plumes. They may still be coming or there may not have been much of a visible plume for the probe and Earth-bound telescopes to see, said LCROSS scientist Anthony Colaprete.

“We saw a crater; we saw a flash, so something had to happen in between,“ Colaprete said. The crater was the aftermath of the crash and the flash was the impact itself.

The unexpected lack of pictures of a plume could be because the plume was at a different angle, hit slopes or wasn’t high enough to show up, he said. Or the lunar soil could have compressed down and not tossed up as much dust as expected, he said.

Colaprete played down the importance of pictures of the plume. Far more important is light spectrum measurements - taken but not yet analyzed - to show if there is water or some form of water in what was tossed up. The scientific instruments that took those measurements worked perfectly, he said.

“What matters for us is: What is the nature of the stuff that was kicked up going in?“ said NASA project manager Dan Andrews. “All nine instruments were working fine and we received good data.“

Andrews said the science team is pouring through the information to answer the big question: Is there some form of water under the moon’s surface that was dislodged? It will probably be two weeks before scientists will be certain about the answer, he said.

“This is going to change the way we look at the moon,“ NASA chief lunar scientist Michael Wargo said at the news conference.

Expectations by the public for live plume video were probably too high and based on pre-crash animations, some of which were not by NASA, Andrews told The Associated Press Friday morning 80 minutes after impact.

Another issue, one NASA thought was a good possibility going into Friday, was that the lighting was bad and work needs to be done on images to make them easier to see, Andrews said.

People who got up before dawn to look for the crash at Los Angeles’ Griffith Observatory threw confused looks at each other instead. They tried to watch on TV because the skies in Southern California were not clear enough, but that proved disappointing, too.

Telescope demonstrator Jim Mahon called the celestial show “anticlimactic.“

“I was hoping we’d see a flash or a flare, evidence of a plume,“ Mahon said.

About 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles, 70 elementary school students at the Lewis Center for Educational Research charter school in Apple Valley capped off their weeklong “moon camp” experience by rising early to watch NASA television along with 300 members of the public.

“It was cool seeing actual pictures of the moon live,“ said 10-year-old Jackson Bridges, but he added: “I wanted to see the debris flying out.“

Science Writer Alicia Chang contributed to this report from Los Angeles.

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Flag Comment Posted by ThinkingAhead on October 10, 2009 at 11:20 am

Wouldn’t it be nice if on our tax return forms we could choose exactly where the money we pay goes to… and I mean on a personal level.  That way, those who think their tax money should go to war can put their own tax payments to that effort.  Those who want to put their own tax money into Science/Exploration can also do so.  That way we cannot say… “I can’t believe my tax money is paying for this”... because it won’t be.

Personally, I’d be glad to send my tax money to NASA.  You may call the Moon a useless peice of rock floating around our world… but it’s so much more.  And, far from today, our future generations may need the Moon.  Not for strengthing our country or defending our rights… but for human survival.  We have only one fragile planet to live in this vast universe and we have been given the gift of learning to harness all the universe has for own survival.  We should be learning it now.  We should be thinking of our future generations.  We should support these efforts.

Flag Comment Posted by skyscraperjim on October 10, 2009 at 10:15 am

I am really shocked at how much the public is against science and exploration these days.  These space science missions is one of the few things America still excels at, and the fact that we continue to invest in science and exploration in the midst of an economic slowdown is what makes America great. Investments like this pay dividends in time scales much longer than most people nowadays have the patience to deal with, as sadly was indicated by the LCROSS press conference who drilled the team on whether it was a failure just because they hadn’t had time to analyze the data, because we didn’t immediately “see” anything when it happened.  We have a serious science education problem in this country, and people seem to forget that science has been a major driver of our economic progress throughout our history.

For those who think this is a waste of our tax dollars, keep in mind that this mission cost us 1/10,000 of the Wall Street bailouts.  NASA is one of the few things I feel like I’m getting my money’s worth when I pay my taxes every year, and I don’t think we spend enough on this stuff.

Flag Comment Posted by tiredofRI on October 09, 2009 at 10:43 am

Our government just loves throwing money away. As Warpnt said use this money to help our troops. We have too many problems here on earth to be wasting time, energy & money on these stupid useless test. While your at it stop sending money to feed other countries that don’t want to learn birth control. Lets for once worry about our country 1st.

Flag Comment Posted by loripb7563 on October 09, 2009 at 10:21 am

okeh… our country is in such a deficit but yet we crash two spacecrafts into the moon???? PERFECT!!

Will someone please explaint to me why we did this?

Flag Comment Posted by Warpnt on October 09, 2009 at 9:54 am

You have got to be kidding, My tax dollars are being wasted on something so idiotic. We have troops in harm’s way, we have brave men and women deployed for this great nation, and we are wasting our money shooting rockets at the Moon? to heck with the MOON, it’s Useless. Wake Up America, Support our sons and daughters, who are being killed and maimed..for what? so some idiots in NASA can shoot at the MOON? Using my tax money?! I am livid. For all our honored dead, and our brave troops, I pray this nation can explain to their families what the heck we are spending millions on, other than doing all we can..with every extra dollar we have..on their behalf..to bring them home and end these conflicts. Someone should shoot rockets alright..at the enemy..not some floating space rock, at least my tax money will be directed for a cause.

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