Rowdy teachers’ meeting canceled
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Hundreds of teachers show up in support of East Providence teachers.
Teachers were angry over the move by the school committee in the cash strapped city to rollback teachers salaries to 2007 levels.
EAST PROVIDENCE, R.I.—Hundreds of teachers turned in support of colleagues from East Providence. The East Providence teachers were ordered to take a five-percent pay cut and ordered to chip in for health insurance premiums.
School committee members had to shut down a public meeting Tuesday night at East Providence High School because they couldn’t control the crowd of hundreds of teachers who came out to protest mid-year pay cuts.
The battle over the city’s teacher contracts has exploded as municipal budgets shrivel statewide in the face of a deepening recession and reductions in state aide.
Teachers say the school committee should not have rejected an independent arbitrator’s decision and is illegally trying to force pay cuts and increased health care contributions.
School committee chair Anthony Carcieri says the district is broke and has nothing else to cut.
The teachers’ union has sued the school committee over the move. A judge could rule by the end of the week.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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It is understood by all, that times are tough. I believe a majority of teachers know they have to make concessions. Although I don’t work in EP, all districts are facing the same dilemmas. Many teachers know it is difficult for many people to pay higher taxes to cover their salaries. Myself included. I am by no means living large. Please understand that. Why, though, does it always fall on the shoulders of the teachers, and much less so on the firefighters, police officers, etc.? Why is it that the state police can retire after 20 or so years and then collect their pensions immediately? I haven’t seen too much discussion on that. For me, as I said before, what is most frustrating is that the general population thinks the teachers are dispensible. That is mean and extremely disrespectful. Regardless of salary (or who pays it), I don’t think John Q. Public would be too happy if he was constantly maligned for the horrible job he does in his particular job, when he knows he is doing a good job. It is human nature for people to get defensive when being attacked. As teachers, we need to defend our positions because we ARE being singled out. Try picking a fight with the frefighters or police. Chances are they would get defensive, too. This whole discussion about teachers and their performances makes me sick. Maybe today, I will give your children exactly what you think I give them each and every day, which would be pretty much nothing. Nah, I’m too professional for that, as are many of my colleagues.
@ks131. I respect the teachers. I know the majority of them work hard and deserve every penny they are paid. I wish we could pay more but we can’t. I don’t blame the teachers. I blame the system, the politicians, and the union leadership. They are the ones that have put us and you in this situation. The fact is that through their “leadership”, they have not been acting in the best interest of the people they are supposed to serve. I am outraged at them not the teachers but the fact remains that there is no longer any money due to their ineptitude. They are making all the people suffer.
Thermo,
Sorry to offend you. I don’t recall blaming anyone for my choices in my post or asking anyone to give me anything. I have always worked for every dollar that I’ve earned. Many people don’t agree with the negotiating process but that is the process that’s in place. It’s the process that all other school commitees abide by. Just because one disagrees with something doesn’t give them the right to disregard it. Once again the teachers of EP are willing to do their part to help balance the budget. To ask them to take on the result of 10 years of mismangement is simply wrong. The committee has continued to give raises to others and spend thousands of dollars elsewhere even though the department is claiming to be financially strapped. Teachers feel that this is a double standard and that they’re being targeted.
Once again sorry if I’ve offended you or anyone else. I’m not asking you to agree with me, I’m just responding to the story.
@ks131. The union definition (and apparently yours) is “give me more”. If the school offers a 5% pay cut, you are not going to negotiate and offer a 7% cut. When you say that they won’t negotiate with you, you are saying that they won’t give you enough. There is nothing else to give you, The State, cities and towns don’t have the money to “negotiate” with you. I, as well as the majority of the people in RI (except for the teachers themselves) don’t want our taxes raised to negotiate with. If my employer is in financial trouble and tells me I will get a 5% pay cut, I can either be thankful I am keeping my job in this economy and accept it, or I can find another job. You have the same choices I do. You live in the USA. You have the right to make your own choice. Don’t blame other people for choices you make.
just wanted to clarify that East Providence Teachers do understand the fiancial distress that the city and country is in. Cutting back is necessary. The teachers of E.P. have already agreed to a pay freeze and co-pay. Teachers are more upset with the lack of respect they’ve been given by the current school committee and the fact that the committee is unwilling to negotiate like every other school committee in the state does.
Please keep in mind the few minutes of the meeting that is being run is a snippet. Remember what people are reacting to. I don’t know anyone who would be happy about being publically bashed and a surprise pay cut. Although these people are teachers, they are human too. They have families and bills to pay just like everyone else. They are afraid of losing their homes too. The full meeting was more of a pep rally atmosphere. Emotions were high but no one was in danger. There were tax payers chanting and yelling too. Police were there because they had to be due to the large number of people. Some were actually there in support of the teachers. No one was in any danger.
This is a situation that is a result of the committee’s mismanagement of funds. I don’t think the teachers nor the tax payers should have to take on the full brunt of that mismanagement.
The bottom line is the school commitee needs to play by the rules and go back to the drawing board and negotiate! At the end of the day if the teachers still need to take a cut so be it but atlease the proper proceedure was followed.
I agree and disagree with many comments that have been posted- I’m a teacher, a former EPHS teacher in fact. Yes, the economy is terrible and teachers need to suck it up a little and perhaps have a pay freeze- but certainly not a decrease in pay. In regard to the ‘teachers are underworked and overpaid’ nonsense- well, that is just what it is, nonsense. I get into school at 6:45am and leave at 3:30 to go home and grade papers for a solid 3 hours. I don’t have weekends off—I have a deadline to get 125 8-page papers back within two weeks. Yes, I, according to my contract, work AT the school for at least 180 days- but I put in three times that at hoome. Overpaid? I worked three jobs this past summer- and I’ve been teaching for six years. I would love to clock out at 5 and not have to think about work until 8 the next morning—instead I’m worrying about your children.
Some comprimises need to be made on both sides-
Most of the back and forth rhetoric on this blog serves to make the bloggers feel good about their respective positions on this issue. After all is said and done, the town of East Providence either needs to raise taxes or cut spending…period! In order to cut spending, the town must look at the salary/benefits structure of all municipal employees. The teachers are just the tip of the iceberg.
This is so ridiculous! Comparing teachers to jobs in the private sector. In the private sector there are policies one must follow, get the paycheck they want to give me, pay my benefits at the rate they offer me…if I don’t like it….I go somewhere else! If you don’t like a doctor, you go to another one, etc. etc. The bottom line here is, Teachers do work hard and so do others in non-teaching jobs. STOP COMPARING the 2!!!!! I am paid by my company, yest the private sector, by their pay scale…..the teachers are paid by the taxpayers! I can’t pay anymore taxes! If I don’t have enough money to pay my bills, I cancel things….no cell phone, no cable, etc….....how much more do I, your employer, have to keep paying….year after year. Teachers have no reason to complain about their pay or benefits package, they are excellent! They chose to be teachers knowing exactly what they were up against and I applaud them because they do play an extremely important part of society….but so do firemen, police officer, doctors, nurses, etc. We all have to take cuts! Every day there is a company in the paper, laying off, closing, cutting pays, etc…...if you choose then take the chance of getting laid off then. All I know is that the taxpayers can’t pay any more money!!!!
I don’t know why I continue to be surprised, but the hatred for teachers is just incredible. While presently a teacher, I have worked in the private sector as well, so I feel as if I can speak to the issues at hand. (By the way, that private sector job paid pretty well and I didn’t even need a college degree!) Every job has its pros and cons. There are no perfect jobs. In the private sector, I had several people to whom I had to report. In teaching, the “bosses” to whom I report are my principal, superintendent and 23 sets of parents, who believe that their child is the only one I teach. I have more “bosses” in one year than many of you will have in a lifetime. It is often stressful. While money is certainly an issue when it comes to teachers’ salaries and I realize to a certain degree change is needed, I think it is important for people to realize the value of the job that we try to do. Most teachers are very dedicated and committed to their profession and work incredibly hard. However, we are often chastised and denigrated. Interesting, though, that parents who accuse us of not doing our jobs, wouldn’t think of addressing their own children for failing to hold up those same standards which are required of them as students. Hhmmm…go figure! Ohhh, that’s right, I forgot. We have to think of their self-esteem! No matter what jobs we have, we should all be held accountable to achieve whatever our jobs require of us. In order for students to be successful, they have to be active participants in their own learning. Please also remember that not all children are created equal, so please do not equate test scores and student performance with teacher salaries. We are not miracle workers. As I am fond of saying, “We all make choices.“ My choice was to get my undergraduate and graduate degrees while working and raising a family. Easy? Absolutely not. Quite a bit of debt? You bet. Good, bad or indifferent, I chose this field. I could have chosen to be a doctor or nurse, although I never had a burning desire to do either. That doesn’t mean I begrudge them the money they earn or the lifestyles they maintain. Their jobs are difficult.(Nurses don’t make nearly enough!) In our society, there is a hierarchy of job classification. For the work that doctors, nurses and other high paying professionals do, pay is commensurate with education, responsibility and experience. They are providing a very important service, as are teachers. (With all due respect, those individuals who chose to do something different, shouldn’t expect the same salary as someone who pursued a career in a more demanding, highly specialized field.) Would you dare yell at your doctor and tell him he is not worth the money he makes? I don’t think so. While concessions have to be made, I suggest you teacher haters make one yourselves and admit that what we teachers do is a valuable service. I can sleep at night, knowing that I gave as much of myself as I possibly could during the day, in many cases dealing with students who parrot their parents disrespect of teachers. I don’t care if I “only “ work 9 months of the year and have vacations interspersed. The decision I made to become a teacher was an easy one. It was the process to achieving my goal that was hard, and somedays continues to be, but I am not complaining. It is what I want to do and I deserve every penny I earn! You may not like your job or pay, but that was YOUR choice. Don’t begrudge me mine. I earned it.
I don’t know how teachers are to be blamed for oversized classes and lack of resources. Isn’t that the responsiblity of the school committees to make sure the education budget for their town is being used to their best potential? Also, what is really causing the EP teachers’ outrage is not the paycuts or the healthcare copays but the actions of the school committee. From what I’ve seen and heard-the school committee is only making a half-hearted attempt to meet the teachers halfway. If you were a teacher in EP, wouldn’t you be frustrated with the actions of the school committee? It definitely looks like there is no respect from the committee for the teachers who probably have dedicated alot of time and money to the students of the town.














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